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	<title>Comments on: 3D Pie Graphs in Illustrator</title>
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		<title>By: Sbw</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-2639</link>
		<dc:creator>Sbw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 02:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cari, some good tips here thankyou.
Can you help with adding column totals to bar graphs? I&#039;ve worked out how to do that and make sliding column design so text doesn&#039;t stretch but for quite small percentages the columns drop below the x axis. I&#039;ve tried placing the sliding guide in various places (including very near bottom to no effect. Help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cari, some good tips here thankyou.<br />
Can you help with adding column totals to bar graphs? I&#8217;ve worked out how to do that and make sliding column design so text doesn&#8217;t stretch but for quite small percentages the columns drop below the x axis. I&#8217;ve tried placing the sliding guide in various places (including very near bottom to no effect. Help.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassi</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-2480</link>
		<dc:creator>Kassi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome tut! Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: mahesh</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-2456</link>
		<dc:creator>mahesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 10:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most important thing is that you do NOT ungroup your artwork at any stage.
Thanks for any help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most important thing is that you do NOT ungroup your artwork at any stage.<br />
Thanks for any help.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston Racette</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-1756</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston Racette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very good post! Keep them coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very good post! Keep them coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Cari Jansen</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>Cari Jansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Tania,

Double click on the Graph with the Selection Tool and you should jump into Isolate Group mode... that in turn enables you to use the Selection tool to move the pieces apart without ungrouping the Graph.

Hope this helps.

Cari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Tania,</p>
<p>Double click on the Graph with the Selection Tool and you should jump into Isolate Group mode&#8230; that in turn enables you to use the Selection tool to move the pieces apart without ungrouping the Graph.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Cari</p>
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		<title>By: Tania van Hoof</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-1213</link>
		<dc:creator>Tania van Hoof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Cari,
Thanks for this wonderful tutorial! it has been so easy!
But still can&#039;t figure out how to move the pieces of the pie! I am a Mac user (AI CS4). Will need to practice!

@greg you can resize the graph by using your scaling percentage option. :)

Tania</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Cari,<br />
Thanks for this wonderful tutorial! it has been so easy!<br />
But still can&#8217;t figure out how to move the pieces of the pie! I am a Mac user (AI CS4). Will need to practice!</p>
<p>@greg you can resize the graph by using your scaling percentage option. <img src='http://carijansen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Tania</p>
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		<title>By: Cari Jansen</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-1211</link>
		<dc:creator>Cari Jansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Greg 

The most important thing is that you do NOT ungroup your artwork at any stage. As soon as it becomes ungrouped things will fall over. 

Hope this helps.

Cari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Greg </p>
<p>The most important thing is that you do NOT ungroup your artwork at any stage. As soon as it becomes ungrouped things will fall over. </p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Cari</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having the same issue as Kathy. While I can edit the data and change colors, most of my AI options are greyed out: I cannot resize the chart nor can I select anything in the effects menu. I tried a simple shape as suggested above and the effects work fine -the problem is only w/charts. Any ideas? I am in CS3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having the same issue as Kathy. While I can edit the data and change colors, most of my AI options are greyed out: I cannot resize the chart nor can I select anything in the effects menu. I tried a simple shape as suggested above and the effects work fine -the problem is only w/charts. Any ideas? I am in CS3.</p>
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		<title>By: Cari Jansen</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>Cari Jansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kathy hmmm... s.th not quite right from the sounds of it.

Can you try and draw a simple shape filled with colour on your art-board and see if Effects &gt; 3D works on that (just to ensure there&#039;s nothing wrong with the document itself).

Also try creating a small new pie-chart (with some bogus data), just the chart, no legends, and select it, try the command.

Does that work?

Cari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kathy hmmm&#8230; s.th not quite right from the sounds of it.</p>
<p>Can you try and draw a simple shape filled with colour on your art-board and see if Effects > 3D works on that (just to ensure there&#8217;s nothing wrong with the document itself).</p>
<p>Also try creating a small new pie-chart (with some bogus data), just the chart, no legends, and select it, try the command.</p>
<p>Does that work?</p>
<p>Cari</p>
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		<title>By: kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After I color the parts, I select the whole pie and go to effects&gt;3D and its greyed out. It&#039;s driving me crazy.
Thanks for any help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I color the parts, I select the whole pie and go to effects&gt;3D and its greyed out. It&#8217;s driving me crazy.<br />
Thanks for any help.</p>
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		<title>By: Cari Jansen</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Cari Jansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Richard 

Thanks so much for chiming in on this one. Only just seeing Monica&#039;s notes. Basically I find that if you do use Labels and legends things don&#039;t work as nicely. E.g. I&#039;d add those manually using the Type tool, rather than as part of the pie chart data.

Cari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard </p>
<p>Thanks so much for chiming in on this one. Only just seeing Monica&#8217;s notes. Basically I find that if you do use Labels and legends things don&#8217;t work as nicely. E.g. I&#8217;d add those manually using the Type tool, rather than as part of the pie chart data.</p>
<p>Cari</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
		<link>http://carijansen.com/2008/04/20/tip-073/#comment-678</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard, thank you!

I got the point...im going to examine my data again...maybe i will do the same as your team did :)

About the 3D tool problem: i suppose there must be a better solution. There must be a (simple and infallible) way of having a pie in 3D, but not the legend, rotated and extruded in the correct position...

i will send the solution, when i have it!

thank you, sincerely.m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard, thank you!</p>
<p>I got the point&#8230;im going to examine my data again&#8230;maybe i will do the same as your team did <img src='http://carijansen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>About the 3D tool problem: i suppose there must be a better solution. There must be a (simple and infallible) way of having a pie in 3D, but not the legend, rotated and extruded in the correct position&#8230;</p>
<p>i will send the solution, when i have it!</p>
<p>thank you, sincerely.m</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolute life-saver!

Thank you for the clear and concise instructions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolute life-saver!</p>
<p>Thank you for the clear and concise instructions.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@23 Monica - I&#039;m having exactly the same problem and couldn&#039;t find a solution at all...

The pie chart is created, *with series labels* on the top row of the data table. The chart works fine in 2D. 

Following the above instructions, I select the pie &#039;pieces&#039; (just the graphic part of the chart) and apply the 3D settings as advised above. The labels remain in 2D, but the chart pieces fly all over the place - some end up appearing higher on the page than other slices, some end up behind other slices, it&#039;s really, really weird.

I think it&#039;s because each piece is independently rotated / extruded / transformed by the 3d settings. This wouldn&#039;t be a problem if it were a normal path, you could just group the pieces together thereby ensuring there&#039;s a central reference point, and then apply 3D. But because it&#039;s a chart you can&#039;t group the pieces as special rules apply for chart objects.  

It doesn&#039;t look like you can both  automatically feed data labels *and* at the same time have a 3D pie chart. 

To get around this, I: 
 - created a 3D chart without data labels
 - added a new layer
 - manually entered data labels to the new layer
 - used the eyedropper tool to copy colours from each label to the corresponding chart piece
 - converted the chart to 3D 

One final note - if you have HEAPS of data to display, I&#039;d strongly suggest that you DON&#039;T use a pie chart. Read this article http://optional.is/required/2009/07/20/pie-charts-and-other-circular-visualizations/ for further reference. Once I passed this article around to our sales team, there were far fewer requests for horrible big pie charts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@23 Monica &#8211; I&#8217;m having exactly the same problem and couldn&#8217;t find a solution at all&#8230;</p>
<p>The pie chart is created, *with series labels* on the top row of the data table. The chart works fine in 2D. </p>
<p>Following the above instructions, I select the pie &#8216;pieces&#8217; (just the graphic part of the chart) and apply the 3D settings as advised above. The labels remain in 2D, but the chart pieces fly all over the place &#8211; some end up appearing higher on the page than other slices, some end up behind other slices, it&#8217;s really, really weird.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s because each piece is independently rotated / extruded / transformed by the 3d settings. This wouldn&#8217;t be a problem if it were a normal path, you could just group the pieces together thereby ensuring there&#8217;s a central reference point, and then apply 3D. But because it&#8217;s a chart you can&#8217;t group the pieces as special rules apply for chart objects.  </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t look like you can both  automatically feed data labels *and* at the same time have a 3D pie chart. </p>
<p>To get around this, I:<br />
 &#8211; created a 3D chart without data labels<br />
 &#8211; added a new layer<br />
 &#8211; manually entered data labels to the new layer<br />
 &#8211; used the eyedropper tool to copy colours from each label to the corresponding chart piece<br />
 &#8211; converted the chart to 3D </p>
<p>One final note &#8211; if you have HEAPS of data to display, I&#8217;d strongly suggest that you DON&#8217;T use a pie chart. Read this article <a href="http://optional.is/required/2009/07/20/pie-charts-and-other-circular-visualizations/" rel="nofollow">http://optional.is/required/2009/07/20/pie-charts-and-other-circular-visualizations/</a> for further reference. Once I passed this article around to our sales team, there were far fewer requests for horrible big pie charts!</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok! i know what was my mistake! nervous mouse click!!

Its only need to hit the colour once to choose it, and twice to select the correspondent colour in the legend. (A+ tool).

Now a new problem...my chart has a lot of slices..when i use the 3D effects tool, the pie &quot;explodes&quot; and its impossible to understand anything.

help.please.

thank you,m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok! i know what was my mistake! nervous mouse click!!</p>
<p>Its only need to hit the colour once to choose it, and twice to select the correspondent colour in the legend. (A+ tool).</p>
<p>Now a new problem&#8230;my chart has a lot of slices..when i use the 3D effects tool, the pie &#8220;explodes&#8221; and its impossible to understand anything.</p>
<p>help.please.</p>
<p>thank you,m</p>
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